Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
In this episode, we talk with Kate Jamieson, an intrepid maritime historian who recently returned from an extraordinary trip to Antarctica, retracing Sir Ernest Shackleton’s legendary journey!
In addition to exploring Antarctica, Kate has summited Kilimanjaro, lectured at the US Naval Academy and recorded with the BBC, all while championing the importance of history through her work with The Society for Nautical Research, the 1805 Club, and The Navy Records Society.
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00:00:00 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
And welcome to the Tales of Venture podcast.
00:00:04 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
The combination of spending over 20 plus years reading about Shackleton, there's a lot of history and probably pick up. So when I was in Antarctica we started sort of swallowing Shackleton's root properly, so we went up to Elephant Island, where we managed to land, which was absolutely incredible.
00:00:19 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Went to paradise.
00:00:21 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Bay and did lots of cruising and swim.
00:00:23 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
The effect to.
00:00:24 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
It humbling, I think I would say, but yeah, I I cried a couple of times.
00:00:31 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Hi, I'm Chris, your host every month. I'll be interviewing inspiring adventures about overcoming hardship, taking risk and doing it differently. The podcast aims document the learning we've got. These stand out individuals to where they.
00:00:43 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Are.
00:00:43 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Now in this episode, we talked to Kate Jamison, Maritime historian, Adventurous Spirit, who recently returned from extraordinary trip to Antarctica.
00:00:51 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Retracing Sir Ernest Shackleton's legendary journey.
00:00:57 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Hey, Kate. Thank you so much for joining us on the Tales Adventure podcast. It's great to finally actually talk to you in in personal I think I have to be kind of like both been following each other around social media land for like the last six or seven years now.
00:01:08 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Thanks for having me. Yeah. It's been a really long time, I think since the all the elements survey stuff probably really long time ago, I guess.
00:01:15 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Yeah. Yeah, totally. I mean, I think, Kevin, I think we spoke about getting on tails adventure stage when we had it. We're holding it in London and the kind of the the.
00:01:23 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Desire is definitely there to kind of get back to those good old days as well. So I just wanted to kind of like give a brief introductions to your your many cool achievements, but also the one that's that's come out recently cause this is the one that I'm mega interested in. You've sent to Kilimanjaro. That's one of the that the seven highest summits obviously on the planet you've met at the US Naval Academy.
00:01:43 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
You've recorded with the BBC. You're also a Council member for the Society for Nautical Research, the 1805 club and the Naval Record Society. And and I I think this is inspirational for young people and it's also making the history cool. So again, thank you so much for joining us on the Tales Adventure podcast.
00:02:02 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
But it's your your recent trip to South America and around Antarctica where you stopped off at Shackletons famous Imperial Trans Antarctic Expedition, the one that that his most famous one of 19/14/17 that I'm really interested in. Like, can you give us, like a brief summary of your roots?
00:02:23 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
The way you went please, because it looks incredible or social.
00:02:27 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Yeah, it was all so good. I think I'm going to be on Wardlow. Antarctica high. Things. My entire personality for the next 10 years. When I was in Antarctica. Yeah. So it was a company called Polar Roots. And basically they they wanted to create this ultimate Antarctic expedition. That kind of followed Shackleton's voyage.
00:02:47 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Really. Because I think a lot of the cruise companies do kind of follow the same the same routes, but it's nice to have that history angle on it. So we went, we left archwire down in Argentina and went across to the peninsula. So we went to Half Moon Island, we went to deception.
00:02:55
Yeah, yeah.
00:03:05 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
And which is in the South Shetlands which is really really interesting actually because it was the IT was used in 1944 by the British wartime mission Octabin.
00:03:15 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Ohh really?
00:03:16 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Which is really cool. So that was kind of the 4 runner to the British Antarctic Survey and that so they established their first base there in in an old rolling station. So that's really exciting, but it's all kind of volcanic and.
00:03:26
Wow.
00:03:26 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
And that was pretty cool. And then we went to see some Penguins Mickelson.
00:03:31 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Harbour, which was found by the Swedish Antarctic Expedition and their first one. And then we had a continental landing at Portal Point which used to be.
00:03:39 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
A British base.
00:03:41 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
We went to. There's a lot of history.
00:03:46 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
We went to to Coopersville Island, which was discovered by the Belgian Antarctic Expedition and the Gulash. We went there to see Penguins. It's the, I think, the largest Gen 2 colony on the on on the peninsula, which is pretty cool. And then we went down to the Mare Channel, which is I think about 11 kilometres, you've.
00:04:04 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Got this really, really narrow passage with steep cliffs on both sides, which is really, really cool. Went to see some more Penguins. I couple of other other places. Went to where do we go? Pleno Island to see Iceberg Alley, which is really famous. Who went on a Zodiac cruise around all of the the icebergs went to Paradise Bay and did our.
00:04:24 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Crazy little swim, which was again really, really cool. And then we went on to port.
00:04:29 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Growing and then we started sort of filling Shackleton's root properly, so we went up to Elephant Island, where we managed to land, which was absolutely incredible, and then basically followed the route that they took from Elephant Island across to South Georgia when they went to get rescued or to get help for, for getting everybody rescued. So we went into great.
00:04:38 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Yeah.
00:04:49 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
And we went to Stromness and then on to the Falklands and then back.
00:04:54 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Into ashraya. So it was it was.
00:04:56 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
A pretty epic. Lots of history basically everywhere.
00:05:01 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
And lots of Penguins. So I was in my element.
00:05:05 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
I mean it like all the places you've mentioned. I mean, no, you know, people will recognise them from, you know, from either Antarctic kind of heritage, obviously like, you know, Shackleton's here.
00:05:14
Mm-hmm.
00:05:16 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Three and and I guess probably that kind of like golden age of exploration was is a lot of places that people would have read about, you know in the you know the the great competitions between obviously like you know Amundsen and Shackleton and yeah, exactly. Yeah, I have all these names out and I just like.
00:05:29 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Basically every country.
00:05:36 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
I think once film, the podcast I'll dive into the, you know, into the books and go where, where, where this one come up where this one come up? Well, how do I recognise this one as well?
00:05:45 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
And.
00:05:45 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
I think that's it. You you can start putting them kind of in some context when you actually see them and go. Oh, yeah, yeah. This makes sense. Now I understand why it was absolutely miserable.
00:05:56 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
And and also why? Why the story has survived so long as well? Because obviously it's like, you know it it's it's it's well over 100 years old now and it's.
00:06:00
Mm-hmm.
00:06:04 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Yeah, it always feels so fresh. Yes, exactly. Yeah. The story still feels fresh when you've got people like yourself who are going around all the locations and also.
00:06:13 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
You know the the, the, the TV channels are still making documentaries on, you know, obviously we're finding Shackleton ship as well like in the last last two years. So I mean it's like it's like the story that keeps on giving, isn't it? I know I'm just like.
00:06:22 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Yeah. Couple. Yeah, that was amazing.
00:06:26 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Yeah. Anyway, I was unravelling, so I'd defer to the questions and I was saying just like an hour of waffling anyway.
00:06:33 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
And.
00:06:35 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
1st 1st I want to ask you about is since Sir Ernest Shackleton's grave in Grytviken whaling station in South Georgia. Like what? Like what was it like to see that? Because I see it on the, you know, on the photos. And I was like, that's one of my place. I would just love to visit.
00:06:51 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Yeah. So as soon as when you were going there, I cried. I.
00:06:59 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
You know, when you study it something for so long, and then you finally get to see it. And I feel like that's kind of that's kind of all the combination of spending, you know, 20 plus years reading about Shackleton. And actually, after I did Killy, I ended up getting a tattoo, of Shackleton's family motto on my foot, my endurance we conquer. So I've also got a Shackleton tattoo. So just.
00:07:19 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Adding to the the slight improvement now historically.
00:07:23 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
But yeah, it was an amazing place and it.
00:07:26 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Was so so.
00:07:27 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Quiet. And it was. Yeah, it was.
00:07:28 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Really humbling. I think I would say, but yeah, I I cried a couple of of times and you've kind of got this tiny graveyard that used to belong to the whalers and the people that are in there that aren't the whalers are obviously Shackleton, Frank Wilde, his right hand man. And then there's also an Argentinian chap who died in 1982 who was the last person to be buried.
00:07:50 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
That there's kind of a I think because it's not busy. You're basically the only people there. It's very, very still in great Vican and it makes it.
00:07:58 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Feel very very.
00:07:58 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Personal and they gave me 5 minutes there so that I could. I could get the crying out before I had to give my my speech and taste at the grave. And actually interestingly to mention is today is obviously the 5th of March.
00:08:11 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
We were doing this and he was buried today in great vicar and in 1922, so good day to to a good it. But yeah, it was. It was humbling and beautiful and just yeah, it was an honour basically to kind of.
00:08:13 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Yeah.
00:08:26 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Let every well at a lecture about him on the cruise to people, because I think everyone kind of has a level of of knowledge of Shackleton, but maybe not hugely in depth and then to actually visit his grave and give a speech there and and a toast with some some whiskey of.
00:08:33 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Yeah.
00:08:41 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Course.
00:08:43 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Just really a, you know, you're not not that far away. From where?
00:08:46 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
He returned after that.
00:08:51 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
And well, where he he died as well. So it's kind of an honour to him and that kind of spirit of.
00:08:57 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
You know, endurance and and leadership and and resilience and it's an amazing, amazing story. But it's it's a very unassuming great, I would say for Shackleton, but it it's just a beautiful beautiful spot looking over that kind of landscape of South Georgia that he loved which is why he ended up being buried there instead of being brought home.
00:09:12
Do you?
00:09:16 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's fascinating. It's it's, it's somewhere that I see, you know, you read it in all the books and see shackletons.
00:09:23 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Resting place now, so kind of like when I when I saw you, you were there and I was like this is it sounds absolutely incredible because it's it's so remote. It's so far away from kind of things you know. But I think when you see the photo enough that it kind of feels like you've almost been there you know set by virtue of the fact you've you kind of seen lots of photos.
00:09:44 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Like the surrounding area and it's it. And it also just looks so much like it could be anywhere in Scotland or, you know, Wales.
00:09:52
Blows my mind.
00:09:54 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
The whole land.
00:09:55 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
South Georgia, if you take out the Penguin, a lot of it does just look like you've ended up in a remote part of of Scott.
00:10:02 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Happened and and it's incredible really. It's just so quiet. But yeah, like you said, it's just there's nothing really. There is one of those places that people don't really. I never thought I'd get there. I never thought I'd get to visit.
00:10:13 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Which?
00:10:13 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
I think is why I got.
00:10:15 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Quite serious about it.
00:10:15 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
No, but.
00:10:18 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Because it's just. It's just an absolutely beautiful place. Absolutely stunning.
00:10:21 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Yeah. Fascinating. What did what? What did the the kind of the other participants kind of like, feel about or were they were they there to learn about specifically about Shackleton's history or were they to there to understand about kind of the Antarctic or just the the the region or something?
00:10:39 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Yes, there's a good mix of people. Actually. There were some, there was a group of backpackers who who wanted to go for the adventure. I think some of them were going on there hitting their 7th continent, which was very exciting for them. There was one guy, an American guy, who just about he just visited every country.
00:10:48 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Oh wow.
00:10:53 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
In the world.
00:10:54 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Which is also a pretty incredible achievement.
00:10:55 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Yeah. Wow.
00:10:57 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
There are quite a few.
00:10:58 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
People just there kind of for the wildlife side of things. So the birds, the Penguins, the.
00:11:04 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Rules, but obviously the the whole kind of plan of of the voyage and the route was to sort of follow Shackleton's expedition. So there was also the history side of it, quite a few people had a reasonably in-depth knowledge of of Shackleton and Scott and Amundsen and and people like that, which is really made for a really interesting trip because there was about 66.
00:11:12
There.
00:11:24 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Of us so.
00:11:25 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Really good conversations, good debate, that kind of thing. Yeah. Really, really, really good. Bunch of people.
00:11:27
Yeah.
00:11:31 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Faster.
00:11:32 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
How how long I meant to ask?
00:11:33 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
How long was?
00:11:34 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
The overall trip was it look like in a few weeks flying out of the video.
00:11:39 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Yeah, about 20.
00:11:41 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
23 days, 20-3 days, so quite, quite long. It was, yeah, really good. No problems at all, really. It was. It was lovely.
00:11:42 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Yeah.
00:11:49 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Brilliant. Wow, I.
00:11:50 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Mean the the.
00:11:51 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
The next, we're also really lucky with the weather we went the Drake Passage and everyone went all the great passage is terrifying. I've seen all these videos on TikTok with that Yoho music and it looks horrible. We.
00:11:56
That's.
00:12:00 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Went and it was flat farm right so.
00:12:02 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Trying I kind of felt like I've been hard to help. I'm really excited for some really, really rough weather and we just had, I mean it was great. We had glorious sunshine the whole time I.
00:12:11 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Mean we managed.
00:12:12 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
To to do all of the landings that they wanted to to make bar.
00:12:15 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
One so we.
00:12:17 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Were really, really lucky with the weather.
00:12:19 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
I get I get. I guess it's like the bad biscuit, isn't it? We hear you hear horror stories. Like if you ever go for the biscuit, it's literally like a rollercoaster.
00:12:26 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
And then sometimes you just be.
00:12:27 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
On on board SharePoint.
00:12:28 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Order a boat and it'll be the flattest, calmest piece of water you've
00:12:32 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Been on like.
00:12:33 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
What's so hard?
00:12:36 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
It was like, yeah, I had, like, I had. It was like.
00:12:38 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Yeah. It's like 50 foot waves and stuff, but.
00:12:40 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
He like.
00:12:42 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Looks OK to me. I didn't.
00:12:43 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Get it? Ask you about was.
00:12:48 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
And have, like, exploring point world on Elephant Island and obviously seeing where Shackleton's men had lived and got rescued from. I mean, I I, I obviously for your social media that was another big a big kind of like historic point to visit. What what was what was that like?
00:13:07 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Is incredible. I cried that as well.
00:13:11 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
It was. It was.
00:13:12 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Kind.
00:13:12 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Of it was quite a similar experience. I think for me because obviously I've spent so long studying this and looking at all the photos and you can look at all the pictures, but you never really get that sense of scale. Yeah. And then we, so we didn't manage to land at point where because by the time we got there, the time had gone in. There was quite a lot of ice starting to form. So we went.
00:13:29 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
From the zodiacs, pretty much within about 3 metres of the beach so we've got.
00:13:32 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
A. A really, really good view of.
00:13:33 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
That, but you don't really realise how small that area is that they were actually living on. And I I don't think the pictures really do any justice to it. It was very sobering and so, and I think your vote, the first thing that you're kind of struck by when when we got to Elephant Island and we were coming along sort of passing alongside the island.
00:13:46 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Really.
00:13:54 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
And finding somewhere to land.
00:13:56 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
You don't really realise how.
00:13:58 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Inhospitable and exposed it is. There's just glaciers and Cliff faces, and you're sort of thinking, how is anyone thinking? This was a good idea, but they didn't really have any other options. Did they say it's just? It's kind of crazy to think about the fact that they were just existing and surviving there for quite literally.
00:14:09 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Yeah.
00:14:19 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
With.
00:14:20 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Shelters made of an upturn lifeboat and some canvas and food by the end of it being Penguin and seal and limpets and seaweed. It was absolutely miserable and I think even from from the zodiacs you kind of got the scale of that and it's just so isolated. There's just nothing in any.
00:14:40 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Any direction? You're just sort of watching the horizon, I guess and.
00:14:43 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Obviously that's it's.
00:14:45 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
From point where that Shackleton left to get help in the James Card and he left Frank Wild in charge, which is why it's now named Point Wild and obviously they held on with that.
00:14:54 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Kind.
00:14:54 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Of.
00:14:55 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Motivation day after day that he was going to turn up and and save them all, and he did. And it just.
00:15:00 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Kind of makes that whole story more.
00:15:03 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Real, I guess because you can sort of see how miserable it would have been. A few people said to me when we were there, you know, Frank Wilde was keeping everyone's morale up, saying, oh, Shackleton will be back tomorrow, constantly rolling up the sleeping bag saying today will be the day. But no one was kind of keeping him motivated. So he must have just been such a strong character to have had that for, for everybody else.
00:15:04
Yeah, yeah.
00:15:22 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Yeah.
00:15:24 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
I.
00:15:24 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
But yeah, it's just an amazing place to see.
00:15:26 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Yeah, I mean the the story, the story is obviously like studied endlessly in in kind of like elite performance plays we we.
00:15:34 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
We covered the story over many times in Romans officer training and just, you know, they it's it's still held up like this bastion.
00:15:41 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Of like this.
00:15:42 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Is how you, you know, you can keep persevering and also motivating in the most austere and and kind of like difficult circumstances. And I and I. And I always kind of like.
00:15:54 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Think of would I be able to do that?
00:15:56 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
And I'm like no way like, you know, you know.
00:16:01 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
These these tricky situations isn't there until you are thrown into a situation like that. You have absolutely no idea how you'd deal with it, but then you look at the actual facts of it and you think I don't.
00:16:10 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Know that I'd have.
00:16:10 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
The motivation if I get to a point where I'm grabbing.
00:16:13 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Limpets off.
00:16:13 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
All and and some seaweed and trap and trapping such a small location as well and it's like. And obviously when when Shepperton.
00:16:21 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Get off in there and the the the guy set off in the in the James Caird and.
00:16:26 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
You know, it's kind of like just.
00:16:27 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Just rolling out into the horizon and it's.
00:16:30 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Like there's not a lot of islands for a lot of space there, you know, and obviously we we know it's 800 miles to the to the, to South Georgia now. Yeah. And it's like any one of a number of currents could take you you know 5 miles here 5 miles there you might just completely miss the island and you're you're then you know.
00:16:39 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Just after the.
00:16:52 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Like kind of South America cause it's it's another gyratory system of of currents, isn't it? So it's quite easy to kind of miss that.
00:16:57 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Yeah.
00:16:57 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
And I think, I mean, you obviously probably have a better, better understanding of it than me having rode across the Atlantic in a tiny boat for kind of what it what it would have felt like. But they were, yeah, they were so lucky and I think.
00:17:10 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
A lot of.
00:17:10 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
It also came down to obviously, I mean Frank Wellesley's navigation has been studied in in great detail. And actually the captain of the ship.
00:17:18 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Had a whole book about Wellesley and massive massively.
00:17:24 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Interested in him. And so he was giving us all sextant lessons of the bridge and letting showing us how to work out all the I I wasn't really good at that because it had a lot of maths involved in, but I can take the readings but I can't do anything with them. And the fact that.
00:17:25
Yeah.
00:17:36 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Frank.
00:17:37 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Worsley is, you know, managing to do this with not much sunlight and guys holding him up to to.
00:17:42 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Hope for the best and and stuff and then.
00:17:44 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
They made it. It's just it's it's remarkable already and it's just incredible. Incredible story. And I think it will just continue even on the basis of.
00:17:48 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Yeah.
00:17:51 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Everyone in the future going, that's amazing. Even from a navigational perspective. You know, it's just incredible.
00:17:58 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Yeah. And then you think about the, you know, kind of really Atlantic with, you know with, with modern technology that you pretty much following, you know, a little, a little digital compass read out on the screen, you know, which is like, OK, we need to go into 30°. So you know, so this degrees and level then obviously put you towards 30° and it's it's you know even.
00:18:18 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Even me would even I could even. I could do it.
00:18:24 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
We're training, but yeah. You know, when I saw, obviously you have the sextant and I was like, and it was it. It just makes the story even more unbelievable in a way because it's just like, you know, the the slightest miscalculation or the just not being able to see, obviously all the all the cardinal points or things that you're you have to kind of the data you have to take in it.
00:18:40 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Mm-hmm.
00:18:43 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
This means that you'll either be massively off on the bearing, or you will be able to get a bearing and in which case it can be quite motivation destroying.
00:18:54 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
So it was so it was excellent. Was was, yeah, pretty epic and obviously now knowing as well something about Elephant Thailand is like this small poky little place because I guess the the photos that you only ever see the ones where the team where departing on the James cared not the other side not the other other side around isn't it where it's like where it could be.
00:19:10
OK.
00:19:12 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
And maybe like a big plane for.
00:19:14 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Hundreds of hundreds of miles. Sorry. Not hundreds of.
00:19:16 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
But for miles but.
00:19:18 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Yes it is. It is big Elephant Island. It's bigger than I thought it was actually from the scale of it. But it is just completely every now and again you go past and go, oh, there's a small strip of beach there beneath that giant giant glacier with two mountains on each side of it. You.
00:19:35 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Just think what?
00:19:36 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
You you kind of go into their heads.
00:19:38 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
What didn't you sort of go? What were they thinking when that was what they saw? And they went right? Well, that's the best, best opportunity we've got. But looking at it now, you just sort of, yeah, yeah, it's it's it's crazy. Crazy, crazy, crazy.
00:19:49 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Yeah, yeah. What ambitions at some point?
00:19:53 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Is is to get on there with like a 3D.
00:19:55 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Camera and be able to get kind of like, you know, proper LIDAR scans of the area so that other people could then experience it with like say a a set of like virtual reality goggles and just and kind of bring the story to life and then maybe, you know, in the future kind of AI has this this ability to to recreate Shackleton's voice and all this not narrate the story.
00:20:15 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
You can always experience it first hand and I think that's that's kind of like the the future. The future storytelling would be I just have to get myself.
00:20:16 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Yes.
00:20:21 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Down to Elephant Island.
00:20:22 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Yeah, I think the, the our stuff.
00:20:23 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Is quite. It's quite popular, isn't it? They've they've done it. Is it the Antarctic?
00:20:30 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Antarctic Heritage Trust in New Zealand maybe have used VR for one of Scotts Huts, so you can I don't know. I think it's only over in a museum in New Zealand, but you can you can use virtual reality glasses to look around when Scotts Hurts, which is pretty cool.
00:20:34
All right, Rick.
00:20:45 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Ohh wow.
00:20:47 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
So I guess it's it's probably the future, isn't it? For people that can't can't get down there for, you know, mobility issues or price issues or time, time off, work issues, I was really lucky that my boss was was happy to let me have the best.
00:20:52 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Yeah.
00:20:59 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Part of a.
00:21:00 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Month for work, thankfully, but that's my annual leave goal.
00:21:03 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
For the rest of the year and then?
00:21:06 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Perfect. Well, at one point I want to come ask you about some of the the future of your kind of like education you're studying and stuff, but I'll leave that to the end because I don't wanna jump the gun at all because that's. Yeah, it's super interesting as well. But so kind of the the next thing I kind of wanted to ask was The Walking down the valley and exploring Strongness waiting station that Shackleton.
00:21:15 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
OK. Yeah.
00:21:26 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Mostly in Green got help from mean and.
00:21:28 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
That the the the story is is pretty incredible cause for obviously a number of reasons already. Not not because he just rode 800 miles and had like 30 odd miles of of glacier covered mountains. Then crosses obviously. But you know with like little to both food already. You know what was it like?
00:21:45 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Kind of like seeing.
00:21:46 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
They do some some nails in their shoes. Just.
00:21:50 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Hope now.
00:21:55 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Yeah, I mean I I so I cried there as well. It's just a. It's a magical tour of places that Kate, the historian cried. I think that it was, it was really, I think, northern South Georgia, you realise how remote it is because there's nothing at strongness. So they've got the remains of the old whaling station.
00:22:13 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
And and the South Georgia Heritage Trust are trying to raise the money to remove all the asbestos from the building so they can open the site up for people. I think they're about 500,000.
00:22:20 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Uh-huh.
00:22:23 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Off their target at the moment, so not too much longer hopefully, but so you can't. You can't go past a certain point, but you get there and there's there's just seals and Penguins and and rusty propellers and sort of buildings falling to bits and you kind.
00:22:25
Hello.
00:22:36 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Of you're surrounded by.
00:22:38 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
History again in a very different way.
00:22:40 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
And that there's.
00:22:41 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
There's not a museum, there's not a shop that you're just.
00:22:44 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Kind of there on a beach and and you realise how remote it is and and then you also kind of think how busy it would have been at the time when it was in use as a railing station.
00:22:56 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
And the kind of, I guess, joy that Shackleton and worse and queen would have had when they realised where they were. There's the great story, of course, of shacks. In hearing a whistle and thinking. Ohh, maybe that's the the waiting station. So they said, oh, you know, if we wait until seven, that will be the second whistle for calling them to go to work rather than to wake up and.
00:23:15 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Then we heard it and realised that they were.
00:23:17 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
They're within reach of help. So we went on a a very short walk down the valley up to a sort of viewpoint where you could see all the mountains and you could see the waterfall that they abseiled down and it it was just amazing, it kind of.
00:23:33 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Difficult not to kind of think about how they would have felt in that situation because we were, you know we're there and nice warm cosy down jackets and parkas and walking boots and and things and they're they would have been exhausted and and starving. And I think there's a story about Frank Worsley trying to safety pin his jumper back together in case there were women.
00:23:37 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Yeah.
00:23:53 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Might might have seen him and they they would have just been absolutely exhausted and then obviously heard the the WAILING station, which is.
00:24:02 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Amazing. Obviously. Like I said, it's now all sort of falling to pieces and taken over by Penguins and and seals, but you can sort of imagine the moment where Shackleton walked up to the the waiting station manager and just said do you know me?
00:24:17 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
And yeah, it's it's it's one of those things, is it when you visit somewhere again that you've you've sort of read about and studied and it it is empty and it's desolate now kind of still get that image in your head of everything that that was that was going on and you're walking down that valley back towards strum nest and seeing Stromness and you kind of see it from the perspective that that Shackleton and worse.
00:24:37 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
The creatives.
00:24:38 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Adam realised that that, you know, was the point where history really turned for them and they realised that they've gone from pretty much certain tragedy and death to to one of the greatest sort of survival stories in history, really.
00:24:53 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Yeah, 100%. I mean it it, I mean the the whole thing, the.
00:24:58 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Story still blows my.
00:24:59 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Mind now when I read it, you.
00:25:00 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Know in having.
00:25:01 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
You know, climbed mountains and covered kind of like, you know, difficult terrain and then also done some motion running as well and also but you know being in the Antarctic and being in the cold and the frozen where it's like not really too sure what's going to happen now, but if we make a decision, then we've got to then we're pretty sure we're going to die. But if we make a decision then.
00:25:21 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
I have no idea what's going to be coming after the next day or the day after that or the day after that, and you literally gonna have to deal with it as I.
00:25:31 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
You know, as as it presents itself. So yeah, so, you know, I think that's as well. It's not jumping the gun too much, is it? Is it? Obviously once he once he's done, you know, once he got the the crew rescued you would expect that that that be the end of your your expedition career your your Expeditionary.
00:25:50 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Lifestyle. But he went out, obviously.
00:25:52 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
A year, a year later, like.
00:25:56 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
This is like next level of madness, isn't?
00:25:59 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
It like that was like.
00:26:01 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
I kind of get it though I I mean, obviously I wasn't there on a big Antarctic expedition in the sense that he was, but it is just such amazing landscape and so beautiful that I kind of I kind of understand now why everyone wanted to to spend so much time down there and they're willing to.
00:26:20 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Potentially not come back, cause it's just it's just an incredible place. Absolutely beautiful.
00:26:22 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Yeah, yeah, I think well.
00:26:26 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Fantastic.
00:26:28 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Getting away from Shackleton because I will have. I could literally talk all what I hear about shack like this thing. Antarctica has been something. That's all there's been on my bucket list for like for as long as I can remember now. And particularly particularly kind of like things like like historical places like the museum and the post office.
00:26:34
Thank you.
00:26:48 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
At Base Alpha, base a import locally like what was it like to visit? It's almost it looks so well preserved. What was it like to see that place?
00:26:58 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Yeah, it was. It's.
00:26:59 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Really, really cool, actually, because you're kind.
00:27:00 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Of.
00:27:02 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
It's a snapshot in time, isn't it, really? When they when someone kept that well and the museum was was really, really good. You've got the kitchen.
00:27:08 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
You've got all.
00:27:09 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
The equipment that was left there almost as though it just kind of been abandoned. And then you kind of you go back to it now and you could see the blank spaces and the pictures that people had on the walls and and all that kind of stuff so.
00:27:22 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
But it's such a small team that they've got there with the UK Antarctic Heritage Trust, so there's a curator, someone that runs kind of the post office, they work in the shop and things and visit again. It's somewhere else that I've seen pictures of it didn't write how small it was. It's.
00:27:35 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
A tiny, tiny little.
00:27:37 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Island that they're living on and they've basically got the the museum and the Nissan Hut that they they sleep in a boat house, but they don't.
00:27:46 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Have a boat so they're.
00:27:47 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Just kind of trapped on that small bit of of rock for the whole, I guess six months or.
00:27:51 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
So that they're down there.
00:27:52 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
For this just surrounded by Penguins, which isn't isn't.
00:27:52
Yeah.
00:27:56 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Probably the worst thing in the.
00:27:57 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
World, but they were.
00:27:58 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
It was really tricky. I was supposed to keep about 5 metres from the Penguins, right? Because of bird flu and all that kind of stuff.
00:28:04 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
But you just can't do it at Port Lockwood.
00:28:06 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Because they're all over the path as soon as.
00:28:08
You get out.
00:28:09 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Of the you know, the boats, they are everywhere and there are loads of little Penguin chicks. I got chased by one. It bit my.
00:28:15 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Leg was trying.
00:28:16 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
To get away from it, you can't go away. I'm trying to keep my distance.
00:28:20 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
And it's just following me.
00:28:21 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Around and is the best day ever.
00:28:23 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
I know you're not supposed to.
00:28:24 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Be that close to them, but you just you can't really get away from them. And it was. It was amazing. The museum was really cool. The team were really happy to chat about everything. And you've kind of got this this kitchen that's still full of old provision tins and.
00:28:41 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Log books and things. It's. Yeah, it's it's really, really. It's well worth looking up online if people haven't seen it. But again, it's also the.
00:28:51 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Post office. That's the furthest S in the line, so you can also post a a letter. I've I've done that, including to myself, and I'm told it's probably going to take about two or three months to get here. So it'll be a nice surprise when I inevitably forget.
00:29:04 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
That I've done that.
00:29:06 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
So the next question was obviously I heard it's the most remote.
00:29:11 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Post office in the world and now says like as like, presumably you sort of sent them out to do some, some to yourself as well. And I was like, is it gonna bring back good memories or bad memories? You know? You know, when you're when you're at work and you're, like, put up the work and stuff and then it's like, and then you get reminder from yourself that was like, can't remember your whole.
00:29:16 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Yeah.
00:29:27 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Day this cool place three months ago like.
00:29:31 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Thanks me, that's.
00:29:35 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Probably have just about gone.
00:29:36 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Out of the crying about Penguin stage.
00:29:38 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
And then I'll just.
00:29:39 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Be like ohh so nice.
00:29:42 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Straight back to it. That's fine.
00:29:44
But.
00:29:44
OK.
00:29:46 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Like, I guess what? What are the the Penguins like? Are they are they, are they friendly? Are they kind of like do they?
00:29:55 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
You know what? What's? I've never. I've never actually been close to Penguins. What was it?
00:29:57 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Yes.
00:30:00 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Yeah. So I I I won't see when these Penguin keeper experiences at Marwell Zoo in Hampshire, which made me think that I was an expert on Penguins, but no, apparently not. They are. They're. Yeah, they're they're wonderful. They're really, really inquisitive. They're not particularly fazed by.
00:30:15 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
All at all. So we went to all of these places and kind of walked on set routes through so you weren't disturbing them to go and see them. And obviously you've got to keep distance etcetera, but they sort of keep walking towards.
00:30:27
You. I don't wanna get in trouble.
00:30:29
Hey.
00:30:33 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
And they they. Everyone says that they smell.
00:30:35 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
There's a there's a.
00:30:36 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
It smell when when the Penguins are near, you can tell when there's a colony. It's a very kind of fishy smell, but it's not. It's not that bad. Everyone. It's it's. It's OK, but yeah, they're very inquisitive, quite happy to sort of wander around and see what you're doing and and see what you're up to. And the chick, as I said, that's one specific chick kept following me and biting my leg.
00:30:57 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Leave it. Bought it and then it went on to somebody else and started boating him as well. So I think it was just a particularly problematic. And then you see.
00:31:04 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
The.
00:31:05 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
The parent come over making a noise and sort of telling it to get away, which is much probably much like children I guess.
00:31:20 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
But I'm also really, really interested to hear what like swimming in Paradise Bay, Antarctica. Is that like? Like what? What was that like and how cold, obviously, you know, that must have been freezing. What was that?
00:31:26
Hmm.
00:31:32 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Like.
00:31:33 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Yeah, it was. It was chilly. So when when they said that there was the opportunity to do a polar plunge, I think everyone.
00:31:39 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Had googled it.
00:31:40 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
And and generally people jump off the back of the ship into the water attached to a kind of harness so that you can be.
00:31:44
Oh.
00:31:45 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Dragged back in, I guess.
00:31:47 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
And you should get to. You have to swim or something. But we didn't do that. The the plan was for us to go in off the beach and they went, oh, so you're gonna go in up to your waist and then stand there and have a photo taken and then you can.
00:32:00 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
And then we felt like a bit of cruelty. It was actually it was. It was fire was actually beautiful location. So it's just kind of north of the Lemaire Channel.
00:32:11 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
And and there's an Argentinian research station there, and all the pictures, the red buildings that you can see and called Brown Station, I think. And there was a there was a great story about how it burnt down and supposedly it was because the doctor didn't want to do another winter there. So set.
00:32:26 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Fire to everything.
00:32:29 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
I don't know how true that is, but.
00:32:31 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
It was quite funny, but it's still absolutely stunning and we were there and it was flat, calm and all the mountains and glaciers behind were kind of mirrored in the water and there was ice floating around and Penguins jumping in and out and it was amazing. I think. I think it's about -1 the water temperature.
00:32:45 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
So we weren't there for very long.
00:32:47 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Yeah, but we it was actually OK. I think we had such a warm, sunny, I say warm in the loosest.
00:32:52 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Of terms but we.
00:32:53 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Had a sunny day and there was a bit of warmth to the sun compared to the winter, so actually coming out was was fine. No one felt super cold. Someone did it twice, so she was doing a polar challenge because she's not the swimmer anyway, so she went in and waited 10 minutes and did it.
00:33:08 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Then, well, and then we all went back to the ship for hot chocolate with bellies, which was very civilised.
00:33:18 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Yeah, it was good. Actually. I I thought it was going to be a lot cooler than it was, and now I'm kind of thinking ohh, maybe I'm just a bit of a baby and I should probably just go swimming in the UK a bit more. But I think part of it came down to the fact that I was swimming and there were Penguins and I. So I don't think it's quite the same when you're in.
00:33:34 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
You know Lowe's Cove in January or something.
00:33:36 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Yeah.
00:33:38 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Yeah, that's good.
00:33:41 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
And and also as well the like the the the water was pretty like kind of blue and you know kind of clearly you know where you were as well. So I guess that's probably more inviting than when you've got kind of like muddy chocolate coloured water and.
00:33:51 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Yeah.
00:33:54 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
It was. It's just it was so clear everywhere. The water was so clear.
00:34:00 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Incredible. Wow. You, you, you were obviously still at work, so I'll press over the last question, if that's OK. It's just a, just a question for kind of like other people is is come out, what advice would you give to other people who want to get into the naval and maritime?
00:34:10 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
MHM.
00:34:20 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
History and and combined with adventure as well because I I love. I love what you've done in in terms of making it feel accessible to people because obviously maybe history in general can be kind.
00:34:30 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
The dry you know my my experiences of in school were weren't particularly great, but then when I kind of got out and, you know, after the military, I was like really quite interested in it.
00:34:39 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
And.
00:34:40 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
You know, especially to this day. So and like what? What kind of advice would you give to people who want to pursue a career, maybe in naval maritime history or balancing with adventure?
00:34:50 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
So I think actually naval and maritime history is probably the perfect, perfect kind of subject for that. Just purely because of the amount of exploration.
00:35:01 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Voyages around the world. You've got people like Captain Cook, of course. Sailing around. Actually, when we went to South Georgia, we sailed past Cape Disappointment, which was the.
00:35:11 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Named by Cook.
00:35:12 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Because he suddenly realised that he was in fact going around an island and was in fact not in Antarctica. So he has named it kick disappointment, which I thought quite funny. But everywhere you go there there's naval and maritime history. If you if you never see especially in the UK.
00:35:28 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
And I think it's important, as you said, history can be quite dry and naval history especially. I think there's a tendency for people to just kind of assume it's battles and this ship fired this many guns. But actually there's so much more to it, especially with all the exploration. And if you want to spend your life in dusty archives, you can, but you can also visit.
00:35:49 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
You know, some of places like this, which are the.
00:35:50 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Most.
00:35:51 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Remote. Beautiful.
00:35:54 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Parts of of the world. So I think what I would say to people if they did want to, you know, pick up a book on naval history or maritime history or just something that is not really taught in schools that.
00:36:04 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Look for something that interests you so that that might be naval battles and and guns firing at each other all the time. Or it could be polar exploration. It could just be the South Pole, it could be Pacific exploration. You know, there's so many different options of of periods and people and adventures.
00:36:24 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Really that, that can kind of guide that.
00:36:28 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Journey, I guess. And then if you're wanting to kind of?
00:36:31 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Bring that into a more practical way of doing it. You've got so many old ships and and maritime museums. I mean, you've got, you've got men talent, so.
00:36:40
Yeah.
00:36:46 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
It's so it's just worth, it's worth chatting to all of these these museums and the visiting heritage ships and and if you can get on trips to places you know like Antarctica or South Georgia which aren't the most accessible. I think for many people.
00:36:58 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Well, but there are places closer to home that you can go as well. Portsmouth or especially for interested in Poland discovery. I absolutely would recommend people go to the discovery up in Dundee, Scoutship from from his expedition absolutely 100% worth a visit. Wonderful museum as well. And there's also the Scott Polar Research Institute in Cambridge.
00:37:12
Yeah.
00:37:19 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Which is a great little great little museum as well. So I think there's there's lots of ways to get involved. You, you know, from a personal interest.
00:37:20
Yes.
00:37:27 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Level.
00:37:28 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Books, museums, etcetera. But you can also just get involved with with maritime organisations, so groups like, for example, the society political research, there's so many people studying.
00:37:38 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Everything you'll you'll find somebody that's sort of interested in the same sort of things as you and you can chat to them and social media is.
00:37:45 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Great for.
00:37:45 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
That nowadays, because everyone is pretty much on social media and they're sharing their research and there's there's someone I follow who's just started a popular book club online on discord. So they started that last month. So all kind of books relating to.
00:37:46 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Yeah.
00:37:59 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
To polar expeditions and exploration and things like that, and people chatting about it. And I think sharing that kind of history and that knowledge and that enthusiasm is is kind of what keeps these stories.
00:38:10 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Alive.
00:38:12
Yeah.
00:38:12 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
And for for other people. And I think obviously Shackleton story will carry on for for a very long time, probably same as Scott and and Amundson etcetera. Just purely because of the nature of it, but Shackleton wants.
00:38:25 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
He had a great quote. I can't remember it word for word, but it was basically that, you know, it's in our nature to to explore and to reach out into the unknown. And and I think that that works as much for history as it.
00:38:34
Yeah.
00:38:37 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Does.
00:38:37 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
For for adventures and trips and things. So it's definitely just worth reaching out and finding people with with similar interests or or working out what you're passionate about and then following it 100.
00:38:47
OK.
00:38:48 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Yeah, I completely completely agree. I mean, I I could have had the same. I had had a a slightly different journey in into it in that, you know, during the is during the pandemic and like some time before it and that actually when you can like allow it out and maybe it was kind of like the the restrictions were relaxed. So I kind of found it more interesting actually to cycle around places and and kind of.
00:39:07 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Visit. You know you can get in in London. You can visit Shackleton's house in South London and a few miles away is the is the James Caird, obviously and.
00:39:17 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Make in the in the in the in the Dulwich College. Yeah, and and all of a sudden it it was almost like my eyes kind of opened to it, you know, afterwards. And I was like. But there's also a Scott monument in the kind of the Central of London, obviously near near the RGS. And I was.
00:39:18 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Correct.
00:39:31 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
OK.
00:39:32 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Like.
00:39:33 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
And obviously when I went to Cambridge to see the Scots.
00:39:37 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Campaign Research Institute, which obviously got the the replica of the James Caird outside of it and it was almost like, you know, almost like, like, you know, just opened my eyes to all these, all these interesting, more interesting things than than say, how fast can you do this kind of race or how?
00:39:52 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
You know, how interesting is it to go to, you know, this, this place and I think the kind of the IT kind of really brought things alive, you know, for me specifically and I think that's kind of like where you know really I think people who can take a real interest in history and it almost makes things almost a lot more accessible.
00:40:01 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Yeah.
00:40:12 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
And engaging and then just kind of, you know what social media can offer. So yeah.
00:40:14 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Yeah, absolutely.
00:40:17 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
And it's the same with everything. I think it doesn't have to be naval. I mean, obviously, naval maritime history.
00:40:21 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Is kind of my my bag.
00:40:23 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Going somewhere like the Colosseum, for example. And then you suddenly get the scale of that or or doing, you know, Battlefield tours in in Normandy and stuff you you once you get that scale and you've been somewhere and you can see it, you can't it just something clicks in your head and you kind of realise a lot more.
00:40:39 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
How amazing these, you know, situations were because you can place it into context a little bit more I think, which is is really important.
00:40:46 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
100%.
00:40:47 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Definitely. Well, I think if you miss me, miss me to let you go without one final question of asking, what's next? Cause I think there's there's, there's definitely a book is is it a PhD in a book or is it a kind of, you know, what's next in your in?
00:41:02 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Your story I started my PhD this year.
00:41:05 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Next to in naval history. So that's probably going to keep me busy.
00:41:09 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
For the next few days, I guess or.
00:41:10
Yeah.
00:41:12 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Around work, but my day job is in shipping maritime security, so I'm always around around ships and boats of some description. Don't know what the next.
00:41:22 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Exciting trip will be, but I I hope I get back to Antarctica one day. I think that's that's on my list. It was, yeah, it's just incredible. So I hope I get back there one day. I'm not sure what else to try and get through the.
00:41:32
Yeah.
00:41:34 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
PhD, I guess.
00:41:37 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
That's hard to that, but you know that's that's a it's an incredible undertaking. I know it's something I kind of.
00:41:42 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Kind of underline about and I kind of based it off for another few years now before I kind of focus on that sort of thing. But yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's a huge respect for, for, for titling that and then.
00:41:47 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Commit to it.
00:41:53 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
Yeah, I was just gonna say thank you so much for joining us on.
00:41:56 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
This adventure podcast.
00:41:58 Kate Jamieson, intrepid maritime historian that recently toured Shackleton’s sites in Antarctica
Yeah. Thanks for having me. It's been really fun.
00:42:01 Chris Shirley, Website Developer, Digital Marketing Strategist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design (https://www.hiatus.design), website design and brand studio
It's really great talking to Kate and hearing more about incredible trip to the bottom of the world. Understand out more about her work, take a look at the show that's below and we'll see you next time.
In episode 10, I talk to Alice Morrison, an international author, explorer, and adventurer, known for her writing about her travels to and experiences in remote, challenging, and sandy locations in the Middle East and North Africa.
Often highlighted as the ‘Indiana Jones for girls’, she is the author of "Walking with Nomads", and "Dodging Elephants," which detail her journey through the Sahara Desert.